If there is somebody who is a lot older and you know the evidence for statins stops there is a cut off isn’t there and beyond that age, is it about 80, 85 you know sure it is probably going to have benefit but how much benefit is it going to have overall, what am I doing to this patient and the side effects… so it is about that conversation and saying what do you think?… and there is a difference between that person and the 40 year old as you said who overall their cumulative risk is much, much higher to them it is probably much more important. FG2R8 (family physician trainee, medically qualified 5 years)