A chaplain (C) observes during a multidisciplinary conversation that that there is dissatisfaction among the nursing staff. Later, he asks Esther (E), the senior nurse, what is going on. She explains that a staff member from the department has been laid off because of cuts. Esther feels that it has not been handled in a satisfactory manner and wonders whether she should do something about it. She says it is not the first time that an older employee has lost their job because of cutbacks. The chaplain invites her (E) to come and discuss it calmly at a later time.