Table 3.
Topic/perspectives | Representative IM quotes | Representative EM quotes |
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Discussion request as priming for conflict
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That’s the way the system is set up…. The discussions are only around conflict and never were they, “You did a great job. I’m so impressed with your workup”….It’s only around “Why can’t this patient go home? Are you sure you’ve thought things through?”... Sometimes I just have a small question, but then I’m like, “They’re gonna think that [I have] a criticism, when...I just actually have a question.”
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That [discussion request] relays as contention...I know me, personally seeing the red MD [icon]...I have a little bit of a block and I go on the defensive....
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Knowledge of the other person and their workflow
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[W]e get that the emergency room’s super busy because we...rotate [there]....We know that it’s like a constant flow of patients and that you have five minutes to see a patient, but on the flip side, if they rotated with us [on IM services], they might see how much pressure there is to discharge patients and the complexities of managing [10–20] sick inpatients at once...
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In terms of the actual decreasing animosity during these conversations....it’s, honestly, just knowing these people outside of work. I think that putting a face to a name, having been out to dinner or had a drink with somebody, I think it’s a lot easier to call them.
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Clinical workload/volume
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….the issues that we have with the ED stem from that global issue of a large number of people trying to be squeezed through a tiny little entry point into a thing that has a limited number of beds...Our issues [with emergency physicians] can’t be fixed unless this is fixed…
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[Y]ou’ll get to a point where there’s 25 in the waiting room, 10 in rooms waiting to be seen. At that point you just gotta hustle and get everything done as fast as you can….those are times where we feel the most pressured and those [discussion requests] and stuff start to paper cut you a little bit more.
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Release valves
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It’s not that I’m trying to hold [emergency physicians] to an impossible standard, and not that I’m trying to get out of work. It’s that we’re seeing the other side where there is no release valve. Their release valve is us, and our release valve is nothing.
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...If an ambulance is coming [to the ED], you have to make room. You have no ability to turn them away, ask them to go elsewhere. There is no release valve.
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Impact of rapid workflow in ED
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Their [emergency physicians’] metric is that they’re trying to get people up to the floor as fast as possible... and they don’t always take us seriously when we’re trying to explain the reason why we don’t think it’s safe for them to go.
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I think there’s a perception [of emergency physicians] we’re always into “get ‘em [patients] out [of the ED]”...[I]t’s not appreciated on the medicine side that...a slow [emergency physician] is a dangerous [emergency physician], and that if you let the place get jammed up....then that patient who is in that waiting room with 20 [others] ...actually could be having an acute [myocardial infarction]….That is not an economic decision or an efficiency decision. It’s a patient safety decision.
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Bolded sections added for emphasis.
IM, internal medicine; EM, emergency medicine; ED, emergency department; FG, focus group.