BOX B: Quotes from focus groups
Schools A, B, and C were in deprived inner city areas, schools D and
E were in mixed suburban areas, and School F was a fee paying school in
an affluent area.
Focus group dynamics—example of subversive behaviour
by inner city boys
In response to the question, "Do any of you know any doctors personally?":
"My uncle."
[facilitator] "What sort of doctor is he?"
"He’s a witch doctor."
[laughter]
(Eric, school A)
"Harold Shipman"
"Dr Jekyll"
[laughter]
(Nick and Lee, school B)
Reasons for wanting to do medicine
"I want to apply to Oxford … I want to go mainly because
I’ve been given the impression because that’s where you become the best."
(Oliver, school F)
"I want to be a forensic pathologist. … I watch documentaries,
that’s what really got me started. … I realised that I needed to [find
out more about this specialty] because all I really saw was the TV and
I didn’t have a clue what it was really about, so I went on the internet,
I went on the site for pathology; they tell you how long, so that’s where
I found out."
(Vanessa, school E)
[facilitator] "What is he [fictitious pupil] looking forward
to about medical school?"
"The money"
"Cutting up people"
(Jack and Alex, school B)
Perceptions and concerns about applying to medical
school
[in response to a question on alternative options to medicine]
"Mechanics or engineering."
"There’s always cars."
"Football."
"I want to do sports or something if they don’t get into
something else, then I want to do sports."
(School A pupils)
"The only reason I want to take sciences is to go into
medicine. I don’t want to go into, like biochemistry or something, I don’t
want to go into sciences—although I really enjoy them, I don’t want to
end up doing sciences apart from medicine."
[facilitator] "Wouldn’t fancy nursing?"
"No, not at all."
(Sandra, school D)
"I actually chose maths and the three sciences but, even
though it’s recommended to chose a contrasting subject, I just don’t like
the courses and I just prefer learning about the sciences because I like
them, so that’s why I chose that. Even if they say, ‘Why didn’t you chose
a contrasting subject?’ … like I did geography, history, and Latin at GCSE,
so I preferred it, I enjoyed it."
(Andrew, school F)
Who gets in?
[in response to a question about why the "less successful"
fictitious pupil might be having problems]
"Some people think that they might not fit into university.
He might be a person who’s not a university type. Just a person … a boy
who’s always going out. He’s not a person that’s all educated, he’s quite
creative and educated at the same time."
(Ayomide, school A)
"I know somebody who’s actually at medical school at the
moment and he … to be honest, he loves going out to the pub and socialising
a lot, but he’s also very academic. He’s really quite quiet in a way but
can be sociable."
(Justine, school D)
What is medical school like?
"It would give him a chance just to become more responsible
wouldn’t it? To become independent."
"He might become a different person. You change your whole
life don’t you? This is a really big change."
(Stella and Jacqui, school A)
"My brother and sister went to university, and they just
dropped out."
(Stella, school A)
"Does UCL university have dorms?"
"Is there good food there?"
"Can you go out?"
(Questions submitted by school B boys)
"Only 26% of applicants pass their degree first time.
Is this true?"
(Question submitted by school A pupils)
"You might have to take a loan, which might put you in
debt, and if it doesn’t work out you’ve got all that debt. He puts all
that money in and then he can’t cope with the work then he’d have to drop
out and he’d lose all that money."
[facilitator] "Why would he drop out? Because it’s boring
or because he couldn’t cope with it?"
"Depends what type of person he is."
[facilitator] "Mostly why would a student drop out?"
"Can’t cope with the work"
"Can’t reach the grades."
[facilitator] "Say if you had 100 people start in the
medical school, how many of them would get thrown out for failing or not
making the grade?"
"Half."
"Ten."
(School B boys)
[facilitator] "Why might he not be happy [at medical school]?"
"If he felt he wasn’t really clever enough to do this
or if it was taking too much time or too expensive."
"The long hours. Everyone said you’re a student doctor,
you’re going to have to sleep in your car in the car park or something
like that."
(Rob and Darren, school D)
Comments on the length of the course
[pupil to medical student] "So how old are you?"
[medical student] "24."
"Old. By the time you start at
the bottom of your career, you’re going to be 25/26 depending on what type
of medicine you’re doing. To be starting out on your career at 26—that’s
half a life, and you’re still at the bottom."
"And you’ve worked so hard."
"And you’ve still got education at 26."
(School A pupils)
"It’s too long. Five years is cruel enough."
(Waheeda, school C)
"It’s most of my life—’cos most of your life you’re, like,
in education, so it’s basically … if you’re really determined ‘Right then,
I’m going to beat this’ then you’ve got to be prepared to make the sacrifice."
(Louise, school E)
[in response to a comment about the long course] "I don’t
really think that’s an issue because any profession you go into—for example,
if you go into law—you start off being … you always have to try to excel
up—even in, for example, just working in the supermarket stacking shelves,
you want to get promoted. If you do medicine you want to get promoted to
be a consultant or even higher. In the end there’s always something to
strive for."
(Bruce, school F)
Need for information and resources
"Sometimes people [from the university] might just put
on a brave face and say that medical school is good, but when they [the
pupils] actually go there it’s not as good, so they get out."
(Lee, school B)
[facilitator] "How important is her parents’ support?"
"Very important."
[facilitator] "Why is that?"
"She needs their support, she needs to know they’re there
for her."
[facilitator] "In what way can they be there for her?"
"Kind, help her when she needs it, say that their place
is always there for her, if she’s staying at their place."
(School C girls)
"You don’t have that much access to information."
"I was trying to search on the internet, and the information
they gave me—you couldn’t figure out anything from it."
[facilitator] "Has anyone else tried that?"
"I couldn’t find anything. I looked around there, and
I searched quite a lot and I just couldn’t find any information on facilities."
(School D pupils)
"Probably find that speaking to people, like, similar
to her. If she finds that someone else has the same thoughts and feelings
as her, then she’s going to feel better about herself—like everyone in
the same position, she’s not on her own."
(Charlotte, school D)
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