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. 2024 Apr 5;19(4):e0301753. doi: 10.1371/journal.pone.0301753

Catheter ablation of atrial arrhythmias in cardiac amyloidosis: Impact on heart failure and mortality

Philippe Maury 1,2,*, Kevin Sanchis 1, Kamila Djouadi 3, Eve Cariou 1, Hubert Delasnerie 1, Serge Boveda 4, Pauline Fournier 1, Romain Itier 1, Pierre Mondoly 1, Quentin Voglimacci-Stephanopoli 1, Maxime Beneyto 1, Tarvinder S Dhanjal 5, Anne Rollin 1, Thibaud Damy 3, Olivier Lairez 1, Nicolas Lellouche 3
Editor: Neil Patel6
PMCID: PMC10997066  PMID: 38578782

Abstract

Background

Atrial arrhythmias (AA) commonly affect patients with cardiac amyloidosis (CA) and are a contributing risk factor for the development of heart failure (HF). This study sought to investigate the long-term efficacy and impact of catheter ablation on HF progression in patients with CA and AA.

Methods

Thirty-one patients with CA and AA undergoing catheter ablation were retrospectively included (transthyretin—ATTR CA 61% and light chain—AL CA 39%). AA subtypes included atrial fibrillation (AFib) in 22 (paroxysmal in 10 and persistent in 12), atrial flutter (AFl) in 17 and atrial tachycardia (AT) in 11 patients. Long-term AA recurrence rates were evaluated along with the impact of sinus rhythm (SR) maintenance on HF and mortality.

Results

AA recurrence was observed in 14 patients (45%) at a median of 3.5 months (AFib n = 8, AT n = 6, AFl = 0). Post-cardioversion, medical therapy or catheter ablation, 10 patients (32%) remained in permanent AA. Over a median follow-up of 19 months, all-cause mortality was 39% (n = 12): 3 with end-stage HF, 5 due to late complications of CA, 1 sudden cardiac death, 1 stroke, 1 COVID 19 (and one unknown). With maintenance of SR following catheter ablation, significant reductions in serum creatinine and natriuretic peptide levels were observed with improvements in NYHA class. Two patients required hospitalization for HF in the SR maintenance cohort compared to 5 patients in the AA recurrence cohort (p = 0.1). All 3 patients with deaths secondary to HF had AA recurrence compared to 11 out of the 28 patients whom were long-term survivors or deaths not related to HF (p = 0.04). All-cause mortality was not associated with AA recurrence.

Conclusion

This study demonstrates moderate long-term efficacy of SR maintenance with catheter ablation for AA in patients with CA. Improvements in clinical and biological status with positive trends in HF mortality are observed if SR can be maintained.

Introduction

Cardiac amyloidosis (CA) results from the deposition of insoluble misfolded fibrous proteins within the myocardium leading to progressive heart failure (HF), stereotypically with preserved ejection fraction and a restrictive pattern [1]. In addition to increasing age, elevated left ventricular (LV) filling pressures and dilatation of the left atrium, amyloid deposition within the atrial myocardium (amyloid atriopathy)has been proposed to be a contributing factor to the high prevalence of atrial arrhythmias (AA) observed in CA [2,3].

AA are associated with rapid ventricular rates and loss of sinus rhythm (SR), with subsequent atrioventricular desynchronization, which can potentially result in hemodynamic destabilization and heart failure in patients with CA [4]. In addition, diastolic dysfunction as seen in CA can by exacerbated by loss of atrial systole and reduced early diastolic filling in AA [5]. However, the benefits of SR maintenance may be limited in patients with CA, due to the restrictive diastolic dysfunction in this population [6]. Previous reports suggest that the presence of atrial fibrillation (AFib) does not impact all-cause mortality in CA patients [7, 8]. Our group has previously shown that AFib was not shown to have any significant impact on cardiovascular mortality, whatever the subtypes of CA or AFib [9].

Since cardiac output in CA is highly dependent on heart rate because of altered diastolic filling and since CA is associated with frequent conduction disturbances, rate control is challenging because of the vasodilator, potentially toxic, negative inotropic, dromotropic and especially chronotropic effects of drugs [2, 6]. Due to before mentioned reasons, amiodarone is the only anti-arrhythmic drug used in this population, but it has been shown to be ineffective in maintaining SR in majority of the cases [10]. However, catheter ablation for AFib has been demonstrated to significantly improve HF symptoms and progression [11, 12] with a mortality benefit [13] compared to drug therapy in patients with HF and impaired LV ejection fraction (LVEF). However, in the limited case series reported to-date, there is considerable variation in the long-term efficacy of AFib ablation in patients with CA [1417]. Catheter ablation is however a first-line and curative treatment for typical atrial flutter (AFl).

The aim of this study was to explore the efficacy and long-term impact on HF status and mortality of catheter ablation in CA patients complicated with AA.

Methods

Study population

All patients with CA undergoing catheter ablation for AA at Toulouse and Mondor Paris University Hospitals from 2014 to 2021 were retrospectively included.

Diagnosis of CA was defined by echocardiogram parameters (interventricular septum diameter > 12 mm in the absence of any other cause of ventricular hypertrophy [18] and apex-to-base gradient in regional longitudinal strain (LS) > 1.0 [19]) in presence of systemic amyloidosis (for light chain amyloidosis–AL) or grade 2–3 cardiac uptake on a bone 99mTc-hydroxymethylene-diphosphonate scintigraphy in patients without monoclonal protein (for transthyretin amyloidosis–ATTR) [20]. Systemic amyloidosis was defined by histological documentation of Congo Red staining and apple-green birefringence under cross-polarized light in at least one organ [21]. For patients with ATTR, familial ATTR was diagnosed after identification of a pathogenic variant on transthyretin gene by DNA analysis.

Electrophysiology and ablation

AA consisted of paroxysmal or persistent AFib, AFl or atrial tachycardia (AT). History of AA, AADs, electrical cardioversions, pacemaker or implantable cardioverter-defibrillator (ICD) implantation and sick sinus syndrome was assessed.

Catheter ablation was performed using standard techniques and endpoints [22] using radio-frequency energy. Diagnosis of cavotricuspid isthmus (CTI) dependent AFl was made by 12-lead ECG pattern and entrainment maneuvers. Procedural endpoint was complete bidirectional CTI block. AT was defined by regular AA not related to CTI-dependent flutter and was ablated using 3D electro-anatomic mapping (EAM). Scar surfaces (low voltage atrial myocardium) were exported from EAM voltage maps into Matlab ™ with analysis performed comparing to total atrial surfaces. Endpoint was termination of the AT with either reentry isthmus ablation or delivering RF to the focal AT site, resulting in non-inducibility. For AFib ablation, complete pulmonary vein isolation (PVI) was performed in all cases, with additional linear lines (roof and mitral isthmus) and/or defragmentation of fractionated areas, resulting in SR or conversion to AT which was subsequently targeted. Otherwise, external DC shock was performed with confirmation of PVI and linear lesions were assessed and completed for block if needed.

Clinical endpoint and follow-up

Follow-up was assessed by the consulting physician/cardiologist, patient or family for the clinical endpoints of all-cause mortality, HF, relapse of AA and hospitalization. Weight, NYHA class, serum creatinine and NT-pro BNP levels as well as echocardiographic parameters (left atrial volume, systolic pulmonary arterial pressure) were assessed at baseline prior to ablation and post-ablation in SR.

Signed informed consent was obtained from all patients. In accordance with French ethics and regulatory law, this retrospective study was approved by reference methodology of the French National Commission for Informatics and Liberties (CNIL). The study was registered at Toulouse University Hospital and covered by the MR-004 (CNIL number: 2206723 v 0).

Statistical analysis

Continuous variables were expressed as median and inter-quartile ranges (IQR) and compared with Mann Whitney test (unpaired comparisons) or Wilcoxon test (paired comparisons). Nominal variables were expressed as numbers and percentages and compared with Fisher exact test. Differences were considered statistically significant for p values < 0.05.

Results

Patient population

Thirty-one patients with CA and AA undergoing catheter ablation were retrospectively included (26 males, 74 yr, IQR 15). Baseline characteristics are shown in Table 1. Nineteen presented with ATTR CA (61%, familial in 4, all 19 treated with tafamidis), while the remaining 12 patients (39%) suffered with AL CA (myeloma, 1; lymphoma, 1; prostate neoplasm, 1; lambda light chains,9; kappa chains,2; unknown, 1). Nine patients (29%) had associated ischemic heart disease, 19 (61%) presented with previous HF and reduced LVEF was noted in 9 (29%). Four patients (13%) had experienced an embolic event, while 3 (10%) had presented with hemorrhagic complications during oral anticoagulation.

Table 1. Baseline patient characteristics.

Gender 26 males (84%)
Age (yr) 74 (IQR 15)
Type of amyloidosis 19 ATTR (61%)
12 AL (39%)
Hypertension 22 (71%)
Diabetes mellitus 7 (23%)
Reduced LVEF < 50% 11 (35%) (median 41 IQR 12)
Previous congestive heart failure 19 (61%)
Associated ischemic cardiomyopathy 9 (29%)
LVEF (whole population) (%) 53 (IQR 14)
NYHA score 2 (IQR 1)
CHA2DS2VaSC score 3 (IQR 2)
European score (AL-CA)
NAC score (ATTR-CA)
II 2/9 IIIa 6/9 III b 1/9
I 5/18 II 5/18 III 8/18
Previous amiodarone therapy 26 (84%)
Previous other anti-arrhythmic drugs 12 (39%)
Current amiodarone therapy 12 (39%)
Beta-blockers 14 (45%)
Calcium channel blockers 2 (6%)
Digoxin 2 (6%)
Oral anticoagulation 30 (97%)
Anticoagulant drugs Vitamin K Antagonists  15 (50%)
Apixaban      9 (30%)
Rivaroxaban     4 (13%)
Dabigatran     2 (7%)
Pacemaker/ICD 14 (45%) / 12 (39%)

ICD: Implantable cardioverter-defibrillator; LVEF: left ventricular ejection fraction; NYHA: New York Heart Association

CA had been diagnosed at a mean age of 71 yr (IQR 11) and AA were first detected at a mean age of 71 yr (IQR 14): pre-CA diagnosis in 11 patients (30 months before, IQR 90), concomitantly in 8 and post-CA diagnosis in 12 (10 months after, IQR 25).

All 31 patients underwent catheter ablation for AA: 22 (71%) for Afib (paroxysmal in 10 and persistent in 12), 17 (55%) for CTI-dependent AF and 11 (35%) for AT. Previous electrical cardioversion had been performed in 14 patients (45%). None had experienced sick sinus syndrome. Two patients had a history of prior catheter ablation (for AFl) and 3 patients had previously undergone atrio-ventricular node ablation. Fourteen and 12 patients had previously undergone pacemaker or ICD implantation, respectively. None had undergone closure of the left atrial appendage.

Mean heart rate for all patients was 78 bpm (IQR 21), mean PR interval was 215 msec (IQR 60) for patients presenting in SR, and QRS duration was 140 msec (IQR 70).

Patients with AL CA presented at a younger age with lower CHA2DS2VaSC scores and more paroxysmal AF and HF compared with ATTR patients.

Ablation

Ablation was performed at a mean of 18 months (IQR 41) following the first documentation of AA (excluding the 2 cases with previous AFl ablation). The median scar surface area was 85 cm2 (IQR 70) representing 75% of the total atrial surface mapped (IQR 36). Acute procedural success was achieved in all cases with all patients being discharged in SR. Seven patients (23%) were prescribed AADs at discharge (amiodarone, 5; flecainide and sotalol,1).

Follow-up

Eleven patients (35%) were receiving long-term class 1 or class 3 AADs. Recurrences of any AA following ablation were observed in 14 patients (45%) at a median of 3.5 months (IQR 18).

  • AFib recurred in eight patients and four underwent electrical cardioversion (AFl ablated in one patient two months later). Three were prescribed long-term AADs.

  • AT recurred in 6 patients: four underwent electrical cardioversion and one a further ablation procedure 4 months after the initial procedure. Four were prescribed long-term AADs.

  • AFl did not recur in any patient.

Of the 17 patients with SR maintenance following ablation (55%), eight had undergone ablation for AFl and four were prescribed long-term AADs.

AA recurrences were not associated with age, gender, type of CA, hypertension, diabetes, HF, LVEF, NHYA class, ischemic cardiomyopathy, presence of pacemaker/ICD or long-term AADs, but were less frequent in patients treated with amiodarone (25% vs 58%, p = 0.07) and less frequent in patients without beta-blockers (29 vs 64%, p = 0.05) at the time of the ablation procedure. There were no significant differences in the age at CA diagnosis or in the duration of CA diagnosis between patients with or without AA recurrences.

At final follow-up, 10 patients (32%) remained in AA and 21 (68%) maintained SR, as shown in Fig 1.

Fig 1. Kaplan-Meier curve of freedom from atrial AF/atrial flutter recurrence following ablation.

Fig 1

There was 30% recurrences at one year and 70% at 24 months (not including redo procedures). AFib: Atrial Fibrillation.

Over a median follow-up of 19 months (IQR 26), all-cause mortality was 39% (12 patients): three patients died from end-stage HF, one from sudden cardiac death, one from stroke, while late noncardiac complications of amyloidosis were the cause of death in five patients (pneumopathy in two, degradation of general condition in two and sepsis in one). One patient died from Covid19 infection and cause of death was unknown for one patient. There were no differences in AA recurrence, mortality or HF hospitalizations between ATTR CA and AL CA. There was no significant difference in mortality between ICD-implanted and non-implanted patients (25% vs 47%, p = ns)

Impact of ablation on outcomes

Over a median follow-up of 9 months (IQR 17), serum creatinine and natriuretic peptides levels significantly decreased with improvements in NYHA class in patients remaining in sinus rhythm, without a significant change in weight. Left atrial dimension and pulmonary arterial pressure decreased after ablation in patients in sinus rhythm although not significantly (see Table 2).

Table 2. NYHA class, biological and echocardiogram changes pre- and post-ablation (while in SR).

Before ablation After ablation p value
Creatinine (μmol/l) 127 (IQR 56) 108 (IQR 59) 0.003
NT-proBNP (pg/mL) 3212 (IQR 4041) 1915 (IQR 2379) 0.01
Weight (kg) 81 (IQR 19) 77 (IQR 16) 0.16
NYHA class 3 (IQR 1) 2 (IQR 0) 0.0009
Left atrial volume (ml/m2) 55 (IQR 22) 46 (IQR 24) 0.6
Systolic pulmonary arterial pressure (mmHg) 42 (IQR 14) 37 (IQR 11) 0.26

There was a trend toward less hospitalizations for HF in patients remaining in SR over the follow-up period (2/21) compared to patients with AA recurrence (5/10) (p = 0.1).

All 3 patients with deaths caused by intractable HF had AA recurrence compared to 11 out of the remaining 28 long-term survivors (or dead but not related to HF) (p = 0.04). All-cause mortality was not associated with AA recurrence (5/17 wo AA recurrence vs 7/14 with AA recurrence, p = 0.2), and mortality in patients with permanent AA (5/10) was not significantly higher compared to patients remaining in SR (7/21) (p = 0.3).

Discussion

This study demonstrates that catheter ablation of AA in CA, results in modest long-term success rates, with improvements in clinical and biological status and positive trends in cardiovascular morbidity if SR can be maintained.

Prevalence of AFib in patients with CA is widely variable amongst studies [7, 23], with reported rates ranging from 9% to 50% in AL amyloidosis and up to 70% in wt-ATTR amyloidosis [9, 10]. The prevalence of AFib increased along with the NYHA stage in the study by Longhi et al. [7]. A 9% prevalence of AFl in CA has been reported [9] whilst data on the prevalence of AT is lacking. Surprisingly, AFib in patients with CA was not shown to impact all-cause mortality. Indeed the present study and other previous reports did not find that AFib significantly altered survival in patients with CA, whatever the type of amyloidosis [9, 10]. The high prevalence and recurrence rates of AFib and the poor prognosis of CA alone likely explain the lack of additional impact of AFl on prognosis. These results question the role of rhythm control for the management of AFib in CA.

Most of the studies investigating CA and AFib have only reported outcomes of medically treated patients with or without electrical cardioversion, without including patients undergoing catheter ablation, despite ablation therapy being shown to be superior to AAD therapy [2426] or a pace and atrioventricular node ablation strategy [27].

There are only a few studies including limited numbers of patients with catheter ablation of AA in CA [10, 1416]. In the first study including 13 patients and various arrhythmias, one-year and 3-year recurrence-free survival rates were 75% and 60%, respectively [15]. However, in another short series of 7 CA patients undergoing left atrial mapping and ablation for persistent AT/AFib, the recurrence rate at one year was high and significantly greater compared to controls (83% vs 25%) [14]. More recently, in 24 patients with ATTR-CA and AFib undergoing ablation, recurrences occurred in 58% at 40 months follow-up, significantly more in end-stage CA (90%) and less in patients receiving tafamidis [10]. Arrhythmia-free survival after catheter ablation of various AA was 40% at 1 year and 20% at 2 years in another recent short series of 10 CA patients [16]. Thus, rather poor long-term success rates have been reported, significantly lower compared to standard AFib populations, likely reflecting both the diversity of the presenting AA and the challenging adverse atrial remodelling that is associated with CA. This is in comparison to other clinical situations, where long-term success rates of Afib ablation range between 50% and 80% [28]. Moreover, the positive impact of sinus rhythm maintenance with Afib ablation in heart failure is well established [13].

Both randomized and non-randomized clinical trials comparing rhythm control and rate control strategies in patients with CA are lacking. In this population where cardiac output is low and dependent on elevated heart rates [29], the benefit of a rhythm control strategy over a rate control strategy has still to be investigated. Although the strategy of rhythm control does not seem to impact survival in retrospective studies, it is likely however, that maintenance of SR could improve symptoms and limit the progression of HF. It is plausible that restoring atrial systole may improve LV filling and cardiac output hence reduce symptoms in this population of patients with impaired diastolic ventricular function. A previous study has shown that AFib in CA was strongly associated with HF [7]. Our group has previously reported that patients without a previous history of AFib and including those who did not experience AFib during follow-up were less symptomatic [9]. However this may simply suggest that the more severe the CA the higher the risk of AFib occurrence.

A previous study investigating AA ablation in CA reported some improvement in NYHA class after ablation in 2/3 of patients but with 23% mortality [15]. Mortality was significantly lower after ablation compared to matched non-ablated patients in a further study (29 vs 70%) and ablation was associated with a significant reduction in the frequency of hospitalization for HF or arrhythmias [10]. Ablation seems to be more effective when performed in the earlier stages of the disease [10, 16].

However, there have been no prior reports on changes in hemodynamic and clinical status following AA ablation in CA. In this study, we demonstrated that ablation of AA in CA, had modest long-term success rates but may translate into some improvements in clinical and biological status, with trends towards a reduction in cardiovascular mortality/morbidity if SR can be maintained. The impact on mortality may have been significant with a larger population. Thus, performing timely catheter ablation for any atrial arrhythmia in patients with CA should be considered.

Limitations

This is a retrospective study sharing all the associated limitations and bias. The cohort comprised patients referred to our tertiary center for initial management and evaluation, thus this cohort may not match the standard population of patients with CA and AA.

Presence of ICD or previous atrio-ventricular node ablation may have contributed to morbidity or mortality outcomes, however no differences in mortality between implanted and non-implanted patients were observed, and the few patients with prior atrio-ventricular node ablation manifested congestive heart failure despite ventricular rate control prior to AA ablation.

Left atrial strain has been reported to correlate with the risk of AFib, independent of the left atrial size [3], and could be helpful to select responders to cardioversion or ablation. Furthermore, several studies have shown improved SR maintenance rates when the left atrial strain is preserved [27, 30]. Left atrial strain was not systematically measured in this study.

Conclusion

Ablation of AA in CA, although a challenging task with modest long-term success rates, may translate into some improvements in clinical and biological status and positive trends in cardiovascular mortality if SR can be maintained.

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Funding Statement

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The aim of this study is clinically relevant. However, there are some major limitations in this study that should be addressed.

1) Small sample size: just 22 patients had AF, which is the more important event/variable to analyze. Hence, the authors should increment significant the sample size of the study, including at least 200 patients in order to avoid bias and to increment the clinically relevance of this study.

2) Subgroup analysis: Patients with Al-Amyloidosis and ATTR-Amyloidosis should be analyzed separately, since these subtypes of amyloidosis have significantly different outcomes and treatment.

3) The primary endpoint of this study should be only recurrence of AF at 1 and 2 years of follow-up.

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Reviewer #1: In the current paper, the authors reported their experience about the impact of catheter ablation on outcomes in patients with amyloidosis. The paper was well written in general. Please include more data about the catheter ablation procedure regarding the left atrial scarring in the study group.

Reviewer #2: The authors report on outcome post catheter ablation for atrial arrhytmias (AT, Aflutter or AF) in a patient series comprising 31 patients with cardiac amyloidosi.

Cardiac amyloidosis is an infiltrative disease with poor outcome, bacause of development of advanced heart failure leadingt o death.

Although the presented case series is limited with regard to the number of patients, the study is interesting and one of the rare reports on this topic. The study demonstartes the potential for improved hemodynamics, NAHY class and BNP levels, in those CA-patients in whom sinus rhythm can be maintained by combination of cathetr ablation and antiarrhythmic drug therapy. Notably, betablocker treatment was not beneficial in this patient cohort with restrictive CMP.

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PLoS One. 2024 Apr 5;19(4):e0301753. doi: 10.1371/journal.pone.0301753.r002

Author response to Decision Letter 0


7 Jan 2023

PONE-D-22-29848

Catheter Ablation of Atrial Arrhythmias in Cardiac Amyloidosis

Impact on Heart Failure and Mortality

PLOS ONE

Additional Editor Comments:

The aim of this study is clinically relevant. However, there are some major limitations in this study that should be addressed.

1) Small sample size: just 22 patients had AF, which is the more important event/variable to analyze. Hence, the authors should increment significant the sample size of the study, including at least 200 patients in order to avoid bias and to increment the clinically relevance of this study.

Answer : this is the biggest series of AF ablation in cardiac amyloidosis to date. Probably far less than 50 patients have been ablated worldwide, because it is absolutely not the experience of most centers. Thus collecting 200 patients is simply impossible at yet. We feel that this series is large enough to draw some conclusions and anyway will be impossible to increment.

2) Subgroup analysis: Patients with Al-Amyloidosis and ATTR-Amyloidosis should be analyzed separately, since these subtypes of amyloidosis have significantly different outcomes and treatment.

Answer : this has been done :

- « There was no significant difference between patients with ATTR and AL CA, except more paroxysmal AF and congestive heart failure in AL CA, with a younger age and lower CHA2DS2VaSC score. » page 7 line 13

- « Recurrences were not associated with age, gender, type of CA … » page 8 line 10

- « There was no difference in recurrence, mortality or hospitalizations for heart failure between ATTR CA and AL CA. » page 8 line 22

- « All the three patients with end-stage HF leading to death (all with ATTR AF) had recurrent arrhythmias compared to .. » page 9 line 8

3) The primary endpoint of this study should be only recurrence of AF at 1 and 2 years of follow-up.

Answer : the primary endpoint was to assess the long-term impact of catheter ablation for atrial arrhythmias in cardiac amyloidosis, and especially if this will translate in better hemodynamics and less congestive heatt failure and eventually in prognosis. This was not a study devoted to crude results of ablation and about technique and so on.

Moreover, in the results, we mention the long terme results of ablation : « At final follow-up, 10 patients (32%) were in AA and 21 (68%) remained in SR over a median follow-up of 19 months » and the survival curve (free from recurreces) also is shown. So we feel that these informations are already present.

Reviewers' comments:

Reviewer #1: In the current paper, the authors reported their experience about the impact of catheter ablation on outcomes in patients with amyloidosis. The paper was well written in general. Please include more data about the catheter ablation procedure regarding the left atrial scarring in the study group

Answer : the paper was not dedicated to precise description of ablation procedures in CA patients, but datas on left atrial scarring in patients with atrial fibrillation has been added :

« Scar surfaces (atrial tissues with less than normal voltage) were retrieved from 3D voltage maps using Mathlab ™ program and correlated to total atrial surfaces. » page 5 line 2

« Median scar surface was 85 cm2 (IQR 70) representing 75 % of total atrial surface (IQR 36). » page 7 line 18

Reviewer #2: The authors report on outcome post catheter ablation for atrial arrhytmias (AT, Aflutter or AF) in a patient series comprising 31 patients with cardiac amyloidosi.

Cardiac amyloidosis is an infiltrative disease with poor outcome, bacause of development of advanced heart failure leadingt o death.

Although the presented case series is limited with regard to the number of patients, the study is interesting and one of the rare reports on this topic. The study demonstartes the potential for improved hemodynamics, NAHY class and BNP levels, in those CA-patients in whom sinus rhythm can be maintained by combination of cathetr ablation and antiarrhythmic drug therapy. Notably, betablocker treatment was not beneficial in this patient cohort with restrictive CMP.

Answer : the thank the reviewers for these nice comments

Attachment

Submitted filename: answers to the reviewers comments.docx

pone.0301753.s002.docx (27.6KB, docx)

Decision Letter 1

Daniel A Morris

13 Jan 2023

PONE-D-22-29848R1

Catheter Ablation of Atrial Arrhythmias in Cardiac Amyloidosis. Impact on Heart Failure and Mortality

PLOS ONE

Dear Dr. Maury,

Thank you for submitting your manuscript to PLOS ONE. After careful consideration, we have decided that your manuscript does not meet our criteria for publication and must therefore be rejected.

Specifically, as it has been stated in the first revision, this small, descriptive, and retrospective report has serious limitations and major biases such as very small sample size (only 22 patients had AF), lack of subgroup analysis (Al- and ATTR-Amyloidosis), and lack of primary endpoint analysis at 1 and 2 years (i.e., recurrence of AF at 1 and 2 years of follow-up). 

I am sorry that we cannot be more positive on this occasion, but hope that you appreciate the reasons for this decision.

Kind regards,

Daniel A. Morris, M.D

Academic Editor

PLOS ONE

PLoS One. 2024 Apr 5;19(4):e0301753. doi: 10.1371/journal.pone.0301753.r004

Author response to Decision Letter 1


12 Feb 2023

Catheter Ablation of Atrial Arrhythmias in Cardiac Amyloidosis

Impact on Heart Failure and Mortality

PLOS ONE

PONE-D-22-29848R1

Details on the revisions carried out on the manuscript since its original submission

We already resubmitted a revised version end 2022 according to the editor’s remarks and concerns and reviewer comments, including the following changes. Additional editor’s comments were answered onset 2023, which were in fact fundamentally the same ones, thus our answers were also similar. This point by point response gathers all the previously answers and comments to the editor’s / reviewers concerns.

Answer to the Editor’s Comments:

The aim of this study is clinically relevant. However, there are some major limitations in this study that should be addressed.

1) Small sample size: just 22 patients had AF, which is the more important event/variable to analyze. Hence, the authors should increment significant the sample size of the study, including at least 200 patients in order to avoid bias and to increment the clinically relevance of this study.

Answer : this is the biggest series of AF ablation in cardiac amyloidosis to date. Probably far less than 50 patients have been ablated worldwide, because it is absolutely not the experience of most centers. Thus collecting 200 patients is simply impossible at yet. We feel that this series is large enough to draw some conclusions and anyway will be impossible to significantly increment currently at the point the editors wished.

2) Subgroup analysis: Patients with Al-Amyloidosis and ATTR-Amyloidosis should be analyzed separately, since these subtypes of amyloidosis have significantly different outcomes and treatment.

Answer : this has been done :

- « There was no significant difference between patients with ATTR and AL CA, except more paroxysmal AF and congestive heart failure in AL CA, with a younger age and lower CHA2DS2VaSC score. » page 8 line 10

- « Recurrences were not associated with age, gender, type of CA … » page 9 line 7

- « There was no difference in recurrence, mortality or hospitalizations for heart failure between ATTR CA and AL CA. » page 9 line 18

- « All the three patients with end-stage HF leading to death (all with ATTR AF) had recurrent arrhythmias compared to .. » page 10 line 8

3) The primary endpoint of this study should be only recurrence of AF at 1 and 2 years of follow-up.

Answer : the primary endpoint was not to assess the long term success rate of ablation, but rather if this will translate in better hemodynamics and less congestive heart failure and eventually in prognosis.

This was not a study devoted to crude results of ablation and about technique and so on. Thus, the primary endpoint was to assess the long-term impact of catheter ablation for atrial arrhythmias in cardiac amyloidosis regarding hearte failure and prognosis.

Anyway, in the results, long term results of ablation are mentioned:

« At final follow-up, 10 patients (32%) were in AA and 21 (68%) remained in SR over a median follow-up of 19 months » and the survival curve (free from recurrences) also is shown. On the survival curve one can see that there was 30% recurrences at one year and 70 % at 24 months (not including redo procedures). This has been added in the figure legend. So we feel that these informations are in fact more clearly present.

Answers to the Reviewers' comments:

Reviewer #1: In the current paper, the authors reported their experience about the impact of catheter ablation on outcomes in patients with amyloidosis. The paper was well written in general. Please include more data about the catheter ablation procedure regarding the left atrial scarring in the study group

Answer : the paper was not dedicated to precise description of ablation procedures in CA patients, but datas on left atrial scarring in patients with atrial fibrillation has been added :

« Scar surfaces (atrial tissues with less than normal voltage) were retrieved from 3D voltage maps using Mathlab ™ program and correlated to total atrial surfaces. » page 5 line 2

« Median scar surface was 85 cm2 (IQR 70) representing 75 % of total atrial surface (IQR 36). » page 8 line 15

Reviewer #2: The authors report on outcome post catheter ablation for atrial arrhytmias (AT, Aflutter or AF) in a patient series comprising 31 patients with cardiac amyloidosi.

Cardiac amyloidosis is an infiltrative disease with poor outcome, bacause of development of advanced heart failure leadingt o death.

Although the presented case series is limited with regard to the number of patients, the study is interesting and one of the rare reports on this topic. The study demonstartes the potential for improved hemodynamics, NAHY class and BNP levels, in those CA-patients in whom sinus rhythm can be maintained by combination of cathetr ablation and antiarrhythmic drug therapy. Notably, betablocker treatment was not beneficial in this patient cohort with restrictive CMP.

Answer : the thank the reviewers for these nice comments

Attachment

Submitted filename: answers to the editors and reviewers comments.docx

pone.0301753.s003.docx (25KB, docx)

Decision Letter 2

Vikramaditya Samala Venkata

18 Sep 2023

PONE-D-22-29848R2Catheter Ablation of Atrial Arrhythmias in Cardiac Amyloidosis. Impact on Heart Failure and MortalityPLOS ONE

Dear Dr. Maury,

Thank you for submitting your manuscript to PLOS ONE. After careful consideration, we feel that it has merit but does not fully meet PLOS ONE’s publication criteria as it currently stands. Therefore, we invite you to submit a revised version of the manuscript that addresses the points raised during the review process.

 

1. There are minor grammatical errors in the abstract section. In methods section: “ AA were atrial fibrillation..” this statement needs better grammatical construction. Also in this section authors mention “ Atrial common flutter” , do you mean “ Atrial flutter” 

2. Its not clear looking at the abstract about what the main aims of the study are. In the methods section—may be we should explain that we compared outcomes before and after ablation etc? to assess long term efficacy of ablation etc

       Throughout rest of the article, there are statements which need grammatical correction such as

  “AA undergoing ablation were AFib in 22 (71%) (paroxysmal in 10 and persistent in 12), CTI-dependent AF in 17 (55%) and AT in 11 (35%)”---- better statement----   ‘ Among patients undergoing ablation for arrythmia, 71%  had afib, 55% had CTI-dependent afib and 11% had AT” etc

A previous history of catheter ablation was present in only two cases (for AF)” –  correct grammar “ only 2 cases had a hx of catheter ablation prior to our study.

“When comparing before and after ablation while in SR (median 9 months later, IQR 17), creatinine and natriuretic peptides levels significantly decreased as well as NYHA class, without relevant change in weight, while left atrial dimensions and pulmonary arterial pressures, although decreased, did not significantly change (see table 2)”--   Full stop after “change in weight”. Then last statement should start ( my suggestion)

may be get assistance of professional grammatical correction services

             

3. How do we know that this study shows long term efficacy of ablation in CA patients?

Is ablation in CA patients better or worse than ablation in patients without CA? Whats the control population to compare with?. How do we know that history of amyloidosis interacting/or not interacting with ablation outcomes

If we compared effects of ablation between patients who had cardiac amyloidosis and patients who did not have cardiac amyloidosis: then significance of these results would have been better understood.

Can we talk about this in the discussion? May be cite articles talking about outcomes of catheter ablation in general for atrial arrythmias?

4) Please review reviewer comments below

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Reviewer #5: Yes

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Reviewer #4: Yes

Reviewer #5: Yes

Reviewer #6: Yes

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Reviewer #3: 1) NYHA Class 2 was noted in the page 7, Table 1 baseline characteristics. In Page 10, prior to ablation NYHA Class 3 was mentioned. Was baseline NYHA >2?, please clarify.

2) Stage of Cardiac amyloidosis, when cardiac ablation was performed

3) Page 2 -Background: This study sought to investigate the long-term impact of catheter ablation in patients with CA and AA. Page 4 sentence 2,3-The aim of this study was to explore the efficacy and impact of catheter ablation in CA complicated by AA in terms of reversal of congestive heart failure and mortality.

Please clarify in page 2 background section, is the study designed to evaluate impact on cardiological outcomes?

4) Page 9 -Mortality rate 39 % (12 patients)- 3 End stage CHF ,1 Sudden Cardiac Death,1 stroke (total 5). 1 pt passed away from Covid ,1 patient passed away from unknow cause (Total 2). Another 5 patients passed away from later complication of Amyloidosis? Please clarify.

5) Page 8- AV nodal ablation and ICD, have their own impact on CHF and mortality, potential confounding factor

Reviewer #4: Well written paper and good research design. I am pleasantly surprised that the researchers were able to find so many patients with Atrial tachycardia and Cardiac Amyloidosis who underwent ablation. I would have loved to see a discussion about comparing the impacts of catheter ablation in patients with cardiac amyloidosis and patients who do not have amylodosis. This would have put the results in a better perspective. Please consider including this in the discussion portion of the paper.

Reviewer #5: Authors have addressed all the prior comments by reviewers and editors and manuscript can be accepted for publication.

Reviewer #6: Amyloidosis is a rare diagnosis and CA is especially diagnosed very late in the process. The limited study population and late referral to tertiary centers makes this a challenging endeavor. The study is provided with relevant intro, patient characteristics, statistical analyses and references. Additional studies with increased enrollment is needed. In the interim, smaller studies like these with an understanding of its limitations are always helpful to advance the understanding of this rare diagnosis.

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PLoS One. 2024 Apr 5;19(4):e0301753. doi: 10.1371/journal.pone.0301753.r006

Author response to Decision Letter 2


6 Oct 2023

PONE-D-22-29848R2

Catheter Ablation of Atrial Arrhythmias in Cardiac Amyloidosis. Impact on Heart Failure and Mortality

PLOS ONE

1. There are minor grammatical errors in the abstract section. In methods section: “ AA were atrial fibrillation..” this statement needs better grammatical construction. Also in this section authors mention “ Atrial common flutter” , do you mean “ Atrial flutter”

Answer: this has been corrected: “AA subtypes included atrial fibrillation (AFib) in 22 (paroxysmal in 10 and persistent in 12), atrial flutter (AFl) in 17 and atrial tachycardia (AT) in 11 patients.” See abstract

2. Its not clear looking at the abstract about what the main aims of the study are. In the methods section—may be we should explain that we compared outcomes before and after ablation etc? to assess long term efficacy of ablation etc

Answer: aims have been more developed.

Aims: “This study sought to investigate the long-term efficacy and impact on HF progression of catheter ablation in patients with CA and AA.” See abstract

Methods: “Long-term AA recurrence rates were evaluated along with the impact of sinus rhythm (SR) maintenance on HF and mortality.” See abstract

Throughout rest of the article, there are statements which need grammatical correction such as

Asnwer: The manuscript has been corrected by a native English author “AA undergoing ablation were AFib in 22 (71%) (paroxysmal in 10 and persistent in 12), CTI-dependent AF in 17 (55%) and AT in 11 (35%)”---- better statement---- ‘ Among patients undergoing ablation for arrythmia, 71% had afib, 55% had CTI-dependent afib and 11% had AT” etc

This has been corrected: “All 31 patients underwent catheter ablation for AA: 22 (71%) for Afib (paroxysmal in 10 and persistent in 12), 17 (55%) for CTI-dependent AF and 11 (35%) for AT” page 7 lines 7-8

“A previous history of catheter ablation was present in only two cases (for AF)” – correct grammar “ only 2 cases had a hx of catheter ablation prior to our study.

This has been corrected: “Two patients had a history of prior catheter ablation (for AFl)” Page 7 line 10

“When comparing before and after ablation while in SR (median 9 months later, IQR 17), creatinine and natriuretic peptides levels significantly decreased as well as NYHA class, without relevant change in weight, while left atrial dimensions and pulmonary arterial pressures, although decreased, did not significantly change (see table 2)”-- Full stop after “change in weight”. Then last statement should start ( my suggestion)

This has been corrected also: “Over a median follow-up of 9 months (IQR 17), serum creatinine and natriuretic peptides levels significantly decreased with improvements in NYHA class in patients remaining in sinus rhythm, without a significant change in weight. There was a trend towards reductions in left atrial dimension and pulmonary arterial pressure after ablation in patients in sinus rhythm (see table 2)” page 9 lines 12-16

may be get assistance of professional grammatical correction services

After reviewing by an English native physician, we hope that the manuscript is now free from grammatical issues.

3. How do we know that this study shows long term efficacy of ablation in CA patients?

Is ablation in CA patients better or worse than ablation in patients without CA? Whats the control population to compare with?. How do we know that history of amyloidosis interacting/or not interacting with ablation outcomes

If we compared effects of ablation between patients who had cardiac amyloidosis and patients who did not have cardiac amyloidosis: then significance of these results would have been better understood.

Can we talk about this in the discussion? May be cite articles talking about outcomes of catheter ablation in general for atrial arrythmias?

Answer: although such comparison was not the aim of this study, a short comment about the differences between AFib ablation in CA and other settings has been added in the discussion

“This is in comparison to other clinical situations, where long-term success rates of Afib ablation range between 50% and 80% (28). Moreover, the positive impact of sinus rhythm maintenance with Afib ablation in heart failure is well established (29). Page 11 lines 17-20

Comments to the Author

Reviewer #3: 1) NYHA Class 2 was noted in the page 7, Table 1 baseline characteristics. In Page 10, prior to ablation NYHA Class 3 was mentioned. Was baseline NYHA >2?, please clarify.

Answer: median NHYA class was 2 in the whole population at baseline, but was 3 at baseline in the group of patients in whom comparisons could be made because remaining in sinus rhythm (mentioned in the legend of table 2).

2) Stage of Cardiac amyloidosis, when cardiac ablation was performed

Answer: stage of cardiac amyloid is now mentioned in table 1

European score (AL-CA) II 2/9 IIIa 6/9 III b 1/9

NAC score (ATTR-CA) I 5/18 II 5/18 III 8/18

3) Page 2 -Background: This study sought to investigate the long-term impact of catheter ablation in patients with CA and AA. Page 4 sentence 2,3-The aim of this study was to explore the efficacy and impact of catheter ablation in CA complicated by AA in terms of reversal of congestive heart failure and mortality.

Please clarify in page 2 background section, is the study designed to evaluate impact on cardiological outcomes?

Answer: this has been changed in the abstract (see answer to the editor’s comments):

Aims: “This study sought to investigate the long-term efficacy and impact on HF progression of catheter ablation in patients with CA and AA.” See abstract

Methods: “Long-term AA recurrence rates were evaluated along with the impact of sinus rhythm (SR) maintenance on HF and mortality.” See abstract

4) Page 9 -Mortality rate 39 % (12 patients)- 3 End stage CHF ,1 Sudden Cardiac Death,1 stroke (total 5). 1 pt passed away from Covid ,1 patient passed away from unknow cause (Total 2). Another 5 patients passed away from later complication of Amyloidosis? Please clarify.

Answer: yes 5 patients died from non-cardiac complications of amyloidosis: this bas been detailed: “while late noncardiac complications of amyloidosis were the cause of death in five patients (pneumopathy in two, degradation of general conditions in two and sepsis in one).” Page 9 lines 5-7

5) Page 8- AV nodal ablation and ICD, have their own impact on CHF and mortality, potential confounding factor

Answer: we agree although ICD did not modify mortality in this population, and previous AV node ablation did not succeed in treating heart failure despite controled heart rate. This has been added in the limitations and results.

“Presence of ICD or previous atrio-ventricular node ablation may have contributed to morbidity or mortality outcomes, however no differences in mortality between implanted and non-implanted patients were observed, and the few patients with prior atrio-ventricular node ablation manifested congestive heart failure despite ventricular rate control prior to AA ablation.” Page 13 lines 5-8

“There was no significant difference in mortality between ICD-implanted and non-implanted patients (25% vs 47%, p=ns)” page 9 lines 9-11

Reviewer #4: Well written paper and good research design. I am pleasantly surprised that the researchers were able to find so many patients with Atrial tachycardia and Cardiac Amyloidosis who underwent ablation. I would have loved to see a discussion about comparing the impacts of catheter ablation in patients with cardiac amyloidosis and patients who do not have amyloidosis. This would have put the results in a better perspective. Please consider including this in the discussion portion of the paper.

This has been done, see answer to editor’s comments above: although such comparison was not the aim of this study, a short comment about the differences between AFib ablation in CA and other settings has been added in the discussion

“This is in comparison to other clinical situations, where long-term success rates of Afib ablation range between 50% and 80% (28). Moreover, the positive impact of sinus rhythm maintenance with Afib ablation in heart failure is well established (29). Page 11 lines 17-20

Reviewer #5: Authors have addressed all the prior comments by reviewers and editors and manuscript can be accepted for publication.

We thank this reviewer

Reviewer #6: Amyloidosis is a rare diagnosis and CA is especially diagnosed very late in the process. The limited study population and late referral to tertiary centers makes this a challenging endeavor. The study is provided with relevant intro, patient characteristics, statistical analyses and references. Additional studies with increased enrollment is needed. In the interim, smaller studies like these with an understanding of its limitations are always helpful to advance the understanding of this rare diagnosis.

We thank this reviewer for these nice comments

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Decision Letter 3

Vikramaditya Samala Venkata

3 Nov 2023

PONE-D-22-29848R3

Catheter Ablation of Atrial Arrhythmias in Cardiac Amyloidosis. Impact on Heart Failure and Mortality

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Thank you for submitting your manuscript to PLOS ONE. After careful consideration, we have decided that your manuscript does not meet our criteria for publication and must therefore be rejected.

Specifically:

  1. I do not completely agree with conclusions of the results as stated by authors

In the results section

When results are not significant, not sure we can there is a positive trend ( especially when the total N is also very low), So not sure if we can come to this conclusion

-Ex” Lef atrial volume and Sys pulm artery pressure: P is 0.6 and 0.26 with only minimal change in pulm artery pressure?). So not sure if we can come to this conclusion

-There was no significant difference in HF hospitalizations ( p=0.1) and all cause mortality (p=0.2)when comparing with AA recurrence.

-Even in patients with permanent AA, p is not significant ( so not sure we can say trend towards higher mortality)

So in conclusion, I agree we can say may be NYHA class and BNP numbers are improving, but rest of the parameters are not showing a significant difference, so not sure we can say positive trend repeatedly despite P value not being significant

  1. Paper still has some grammatical errors which need to be corrected ( please see attached file with comments)

  2. In the introduction: authors mention that rate control is challenging due to negative inotropic and chronotropic effects of drugs ( can we explain more about this ?) and can we explain why only amio is the drug used

  3. Discussion section needs to report results of the paper more in comparison with other ( please see attached paper with comments)

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Author response to Decision Letter 3


16 Dec 2023

PONE-D-22-29848R3

Catheter Ablation of Atrial Arrhythmias in Cardiac Amyloidosis. Impact on Heart Failure and Mortality

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Answers to the editor’s comments

I do not completely agree with conclusions of the results as stated by authors

In the results section

When results are not significant, not sure we can there is a positive trend ( especially when the total N is also very low), So not sure if we can come to this conclusion

-Ex” Lef atrial volume and Sys pulm artery pressure: P is 0.6 and 0.26 with only minimal change in pulm artery pressure?). So not sure if we can come to this conclusion

-There was no significant difference in HF hospitalizations ( p=0.1) and all cause mortality (p=0.2)when comparing with AA recurrence.

-Even in patients with permanent AA, p is not significant ( so not sure we can say trend towards higher mortality)

So in conclusion, I agree we can say may be NYHA class and BNP numbers are improving, but rest of the parameters are not showing a significant difference, so not sure we can say positive trend repeatedly despite P value not being significant

Answer: We agree this was too optimistic. We have changed most of these sentences

“left atrial dimension and pulmonary arterial pressure decreased after ablation in patients in sinus rhythm although not significantly”. (page 10, line 1)

“All-cause mortality was not associated with AA recurrence (5/17 wo AA recurrence vs 7/14 with AA recurrence, p=0.2), and mortality in patients with permanent AA (5/10) was not significantly higher compared to patients remaining in SR (7/21) (p=0.3)”. page 10 line 11

However we decided to keep unchanged:

“There was a trend toward less hospitalizations for HF in patients remaining in SR over the follow-up period (2/21) compared to patients with AA recurrence (5/10) (p=0.1).” (p=0.1 may be considered as a trend in such a limited population) page 10 line 7

“All 3 patients with deaths caused by intractable HF had AA recurrence compared to 11 out of the remaining 28 long-term survivors (or dead but not related to HF) (p=0.04)”. page 10 line 9

Paper still has some grammatical errors which need to be corrected ( please see attached file with comments)

We have modified the manuscript accordingly

In the introduction: authors mention that rate control is challenging due to negative inotropic and chronotropic effects of drugs ( can we explain more about this ?) and can we explain why only amio is the drug used

This has been more explained : “Since cardiac output in CA is highly dependent on heart rate because of altered diastolic filling and since CA is associated with frequent conduction disturbances, rate control is challenging because of the vasodilator, potentially toxic, negative inotropic, dromotropic and especially chronotropic effects of drugs (2, 6). Due to before mentioned reasons, amiodarone is the only anti-arrhythmic drug used in this population, but it has been shown to be ineffective in maintaining SR in majority of the cases (10).” Page 3 line 17

Discussion section needs to report results of the paper more in comparison with other ( please see attached paper with comments)answer to the editor’s comments

A chapter dedicated to the comparison with other studies was already included rather early in the discussion, so we feel this part is enough complete and rather well placed in the discussion part

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Decision Letter 4

Neil Patel

23 Mar 2024

Catheter Ablation of Atrial Arrhythmias in Cardiac Amyloidosis. Impact on Heart Failure and Mortality

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Reviewer #7: The population is extremely low and needs to be increased. It is mentioned that the facility is a tertiary facility which impacts the pool of available patients.However, this may be a good start for following studies. The P values were also addressed.

Reviewer #8: Catheter Ablation of Atrial Arrhythmia's in Cardiac Amyloid. Impact on HF and Mortality.

It's a wonderful hypothesis generating paper. The authors have tackled a difficult question in a population with multiple variables and with high short-term mortality. Any effort to improve symptoms, reduce hospitalizations and improve long term survival is commendable. It is also clear that these are relatively sicker patients referred to tertiary care facilities and therefore at high risk of morbidity and mortality despite advanced therapies.

Since the patient numbers in any of the previous and current studies is small, where AA ablation is deployed as a strategy to reduce HF hospitalization and improve symptoms, there is a clear need to establish a registry to understand such outcomes.

Behavior and natural history of AL and ATTR CA is different. AL tends to behave as an acute myocarditis, with early symptoms and rapid progression to end stage heart failure while ATTR behaves in slower amyloid deposits in atria and ventricle and conduction system (1). NSR is maintained longer in AL and Afib tends to be more common in ATTR. Once Afib is established in AL, it suggests poor prognosis (2). Onset of CHF in CA is a harbinger of poor prognosis and may not only reflect stage of the disease, but it has worse outcomes in patients with AL (3).

It is worth mentioning the pathophysiology of the disease and stage of the disease. Low EDV, reduced SV, atrial electromechanical dissociation (patient has NSR while atria show impaired contractility), increase HR and autoimmune dysfunction may all impact symptoms and progression to HF and impact survival. Risk stratification of CA and clinical management hence becomes challenging (4). Higher stage of ATTR and higher NYHA class and maintenance of NSR impacts survival (5).

Hence, variables of symptoms, hospitalization and survival include Type of CA (ATTR more prone to Afib), thromboembolism risk, stage of CA, NYHA class. Prevalence of HF in ATTR is 6.3% (1-21%) and relatively less common in AL (1.2/100thousand cases). ATTR is also associated more commonly with paradoxical low flow, low gradient AS with a prevalence of 4-29% (6).

The next step should be setting up a registry of CA patients separately for AL and ATTR types. Further stratifying them to stage of the disease and NYHA class, finding patients with AA (predominantly afib), ablating afib early before disease reaches advanced stage and looking at its impact on HF onset, recurrent hospitalization for HF and survival in a prospective fashion. This would also address the power (n) of analysis to get meaningful data. This may also lead to development of longer lasting post ablative strategies (antiarrhythmics) to maintain patients in sinus rhythm. This should go hand in hand with newer disease modifying strategies that reduce amyloid deposits in heart and elsewhere.

1. Capelli F, Cir Heart Failure 2020;13:e 006619

2. Ng PLF, Ann. Non invasive Electrophysiology 2022;27:e1267

3. Thakker, Am J Cardiol 2021;143:125-130

4. Laptsera N, J. Clinical Med, 2023;12:2581

5. JACC Clin Electrophysiology 2020;6:1118-1127

6. Ternacle J, JACC 2019;74(21):2638-2651

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